READING - Johnny In The Echo Chamber

FULL WATTS ARTICLE - Johnny in the echo chamber / Johnny Clarke in his own words
An article by Steve Milne
First published in Full Watts magazine vol. 2, no. 3
Reproduced by permission of the Author.

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After more than 10 years of respectable output and moderate success, Bunny Striker Lee was hungry for more, much more. The record producer had tasted triumph with late '60s/early '70s hits like "My Conversation" by Slim Smith and the Uniques, "Bangarang" by Lester Sterling & Stranger Cole, "Cherry Oh Baby" by Eric Donaldson and "Better Must Come" by Delroy Wilson. Still, Lee's drive to control the scene and make and break trends was stronger than ever in 1974. By this time, of course, the heyday of the big three record producers - Coxsone Dodd, Duke Reid and Prince Buster - had already past.

The scene was ripe, then, for a takeover and Lee was craving for full dominance of the Kingston dancehalls and record charts. With his studio band The Aggrovators, Lee developed the flying cymbal,a new kind of rhythm influenced by the bump/disco/soul records coming from the states.

Lee recognized that he needed a new vehicle to move his new sound. A voice that was fresh, exciting, sincere and accessible. An agile voice that could deliver both fiercely militant Rasta anthems and lushly romantic ballads which would go over with all aspects of Jamaican society from the well-to-do to the ghetto sufferers. A supple voice that could reflect the mood of the times yet still be timeless. It was a tall order to fill but Lee eventually found his man during a recording session for an original tune called "None Shall Escape The Judgement."

Lee formed an ad hoc trio to record the piece. The group consisted of the tune's composer, a Greenwhich Town youth named Earl "Zero" Johnson, and another youth known for his incessant presence in the studio awaiting the opportunity to record. That youthman was Johnny Clarke and when Clarke sang, Lee heard his ticket to supremacy. The rest, as they say, is history.

Clarke was born in Kingston in January of 1955 and began singing at a young age. A victorious performance in a Bull Bay talent contest boosted the fledgling artist's confidence and jump-started his ambitious pursuit of a successful career in the music business.

By 1971 Clarke, who was still in school, was gigging at some of Kingston's hippest nightclubs. Soon after he finished school in 1973, Clarke entered the recording studio for the first time at the age of 17 and cut the single "God Made The Sea and Sun" for producer Clancy Eccles.
For whatever reason, Eccles only released the single on a blank label and decided against putting any promotional push behind it. Disappointed that his first record didn't even include his name on the label, Clarke looked for another producer. That's when he met up with Rupie Edwards who produced his next two singles - the moderately successful "Everyday Wandering" and "Julie."
However, it wasn't until he hooked up with producer Bunny Striker Lee in '74 that Clarke would hit the jackpot.

Clarke originally went in to record "My Desire" for Striker. But the producer asked him to sing as part of a vocal trio that included the burgeoning Greenwhich Town singer/songwriter Earl Zero.
The trio recorded Zero's composition "None Shall Escape The Judgement" at Duke Reid's Treasure Isle studio with Errol Brown engineering.
Striker later decided to have Clarke re-recorded the tune as a solo singer and the resulting single marked Clarke's outset as a '70s superstar in Jamaica. The followup single, "Move Out of Babylon Rastaman" (an updated cut of John Holt's Studio One hig "Sad News"), was an even bigger hit and cemented the Clarke/Striker Lee partnership which would go on to dominate the local scene for the next four years.

Clarke was so hot that his former producer Rupie Edwards was inspired to use the rhythm from Clarke's "Everday Wondering" for a new tune.
Edwards voiced some new lyrics (the chant "skanga, skanga,") and released it in Britain as "Irie Feelings." The single reached the Top Ten and spawned a number of other Edwards produced singles on the same rhythm.

Although Striker enjoyed much success with Horace Andy, Derrick Morgan and Cornell Campbell, Johnny Clarke was by far his number one star.
Striker saturated the local market with Clarke's singles, which consisted of an even mix of original tunes and do-overs.
Clarke's practice of covering other artist's songs (under the direction of Striker) prompted the nickname Mr. Do Over Man. Clarke brought his unique sound to well-known tunes by Delroy Wilson, John Holt, Burning Spear and Bob Marley. It didn't bother the public that many of his singles were cover tunes.
Clarke was voted artist of the year by the readers of Jamaica's Swing magazine several years in a row.
At one time he had 6 records on Jamaica's Top Ten and a number six on the British charts.

Much of Clarke's time in the studio was spent not only on his own music but also the recordings of other artists in Bunny Lee's stable. The atmosphere was one of a communal hit factory with artists helping one another out.
Clarke often played piano at sessions (he's listed as the pianist on Jah Stitch's Original Ragga Muffin CD on the Blood & Fire label) and collaborated with other singers, musicians and deejays. As the legendary deejay and record producer Tappa Zukie explains in the liner notes of Tappa Zukie In Dub (Blood & Fire) "Bunny (Lee) would more time be doin' a song an' Johnnie Clarke not findin' the right lyrics, an' 'im seh: 'Zukie, you an' Johnnie Clarke work out a ting now', an' me an' 'im go outside an' when we come in back, we 'ave the tune ready."

It wasn't long after his initial success with Bunny Lee that Clarke began to tour outside of Jamaica. He came to America at the end of 1974, becoming one of the first reggae artists to perform on US television.
In England, Clarke performed at London's Rainbow Theatre and in a memorable 1977 concert at the Hammersmith Palais, Clarke shared the bill with John Holt and Jah Stitch.

By '78 Clarke had done more recording that many singers do in a lifetime. It was time for a break and Clarke parted company with Bunny Lee whose dominance in the local arena was fading as a younger generation of producers (Don Mais, Henry Junjo Laws, Linval Thompson, etc.,) began to take over.

Clarke recorded throughout the late '70s and '80s for a variety of producers such as Brad Osborne, Niney The Observer, Glen Brown, Errol T, Prince Jammy, Steely and Clevie, Sly & Robbie and again with Bunny Lee.
He spent a portion of the '80s in England recording some characteristically high caliber works with Mad Professor, Jah Shaka and Fashion Records.
In 1995 he reunited with Niney for his first album in many years, Rock With Me (JA/Peter Pan).

This interview with Mr. Clarke was recorded backstage after his sterling performance with the High Times Players at the 5th annual Northern Sierra Nevada World Music Festival in Marysville, California in June of 1998.

I was born in the ghetto area of Jamaica, Whitfield Town area, Waltham Park area. I attend Jamaica college high school and from there onward I was involved with a set of musician that created from that school as well known as the Inner Circle and a part of them became Third World as well and there was like a school band in those days, that's before we really gettin' professional.
But after I left school I work for about a year with a company by the name of Grace Kennedy. Then after about two years apart I was involved in some talent shows, like singing for small clubs, club by the name of Lady Pink, club by the name of Memory Lane and all of those clubs.
Man who is also responsible for that is a man by the name of Tony Mack who was always trying to urge the young artists to become a artist professionally.

Well, eventually after that, they have a saying in Jamaica - nothing is gonna drop in your lap - certain things you just have to go for. Well, I just believe in that and I went on the road and eventually I was involved with a man by the name of Clancy Eccles. We made the first song to be recorded in a studio and to become on plastic which is record by the name of "God Made The Sea and The Sun." It wasn't really a hit as such but it was just like to let some of my good friends know that I can do the stuff, y'know.
After that, through persistancy I went along and met with a man by the name of Rupie Edwards who have a label by the name of Success and I do a first song by the name of "Everyday Wondering," which later on he did some form of original sound of that piano, guitar strum and call it "Skengay" otherwise known as "Irie Feeling" which went up on the British chart about number five. But it wasn't really a hit of such in Jamaica.
But the first hit song came about in 1974 when I did a song by the name of "None Shall Escape the Judgement." That one made the name Johnny Clarke popular from house to house by sales.
Because nowadays people don't buy records anymore.
But those were the days when people ususually buy records because there was a lot of turntables strong on the market and everybody was interested in having a copy of a record at his house. So if I know you and I come to your house and hear you playing a new song, tomorrow I'm gonna get one for myself and I need one also at my house.

So, that was "None Shall Escape the Judgement." The ones before were like a dancehall hit, like just hit in the dance. But house to house, "None Shall Escape the Judgement," then "Move Out of Babylon," "Rock With Me Baby," "Left With A Broken Heart," "If You Should Lose Me," "Hold On." I even do over a Bob Marley song called "No Woman No Cry" which was also a big, big seller and a Delroy Wilson song by the name of "True Believer In Love."
So all that was just pure hits coming down. We're talking about like six song in the top ten.
So a lot of work was being done, original work as well because in those days we were very much creative.

We believe in creativity. We sit down and we concentrate and we try to put together lyrics, new lyrics. When you make a song, it's got to be 100% original. The rhythm is original and the lyrics are original so it's 100% original song and those songs is still living today. It was so creative it still stand, y'know.
And we're still working, because now I have a new album by the name of Rock With Me. That's the album that is showing that the good stuff is still in me, y'know. Because we still have original roots reggae. Because we don't branch and do things that we see other people do. We do the things that we know is right.
It's good not to just follow or do what you see people do. It's best to know if they are right or if they are wrong because you want to follow the right and not the wrong.

Clarke believes his early recordings with Clancy Eccles and Rupie Edwards could have been hits had they been promoted well. No matter how good a record is, without sufficient promotion it won't reach the people. Clarke attributes his initial success with Bunny Lee, a former record plugger for Duke Reid and Leslie Kong, to the producer's cunning as a promoter.

In Jamaica you need to be promoting the song if you want to create the artist and if the artist is to get a name unto himself you need to be well promoted. Some producers don't promote you all that strongly so you tend to move on to the next and if that one is going all the way, you're gonna stick with that one cause that one seems to be where it's happening.
Sometimes it's good to know the hands you're into cause sometimes you're not in good hands and it's good to identify that. When you're in good hands it's also great to identify that you're in good hands too so you don't bite the hands that feed you.

Bunny Lee got a string of hits because he have the right set of musicians and he have the right set of disc jockey to promote the song so it was being heard on the radio station plus he always come with creativity like the drum cymbal. In the '70s we have a cymbal by the name of the flying cymbal, that was a change from the normal type of drum beat and that have additional assistance towards Johnny Clarke popularity house to house because people always like to have a change.
When they're going on one thing, if you can see the change and that the time is right for the change and use your judgement and everything work out the way it should, you have no problem with the people buying your records cause they're gonna just know that that's what they want.
You're giving the people what they want and they're gonna accept it and you don't have to beg them to buy it. They will always just grab it with a clean hand and a pure heart.

So that's why we believe in creativity. When you have creative stuff, it need to grow in the people. Then again, when they get to love it they're gonna always keep loving it nonstop, y'know. So, creativity is best - original, y'know.

Clarke was known as the Studio Idler because of the long hours he'd spend hanging out at King Tubby's, Randy's, Harry J and Treasure Isle waiting for the opportunity to record. Clarke says he didn't mind the tag. It was during those long hours in waiting that he paid his dues and learned the tricks of the trade and he says studio idling proved fruitful as it led to some of his biggest hit records.

Sometimes that's the way you get lucky and sometimes that's the way you come into it professional because you watch what is going on. When your time come, is but piece of cake, y'know. Soup it up because you couldn't do that because you didn't get your chance.
There was so much artist in my days it was tough because you have pure big name artist. And me as a new artist coming into a camp that have a promoter who have a lot of big name artist, you got to be well great because him don't have fe see you because him all of the big names around him already. So for you to come into that, you have to be very, very strong. Very multiply, y'know. Strong so that you can really catch him eye because him have a lot of big artist around him already.

I mean when you're just coming in the business there's things you have to do. Maybe sometimes you have to go to the shop. Sometimes the man make you go buy some beer and buy some food. Bring fe the man dem, y'know. And then after a while you can reach a stage where maybe you start make a next man do that. Just coming in the business and you really want to be a part of what is happening and you know you can fill the gap.
It's up to you how much effort you put out for yourself. Ca' the father says 'me help the man that help himself.' So if him see me trying him will help me along. You can't just sit down and expect it to come. It might don't even come.

The name Studio Idler, I don't really check it as nothing. Some people wouldn't even want you to say that but me don't mind it. Cause something happened from that. Because it was worthwhile and it was beneficial, cause I benefit from it. 'Ca if I wasn't there idling maybe I wouldn't be here talking to you today.

"None Shall Escape The Judgement," Clarke's first major hit, was originally recorded as a trio vocal group record. Clarke explains how he came to sing it as a solo artist.

You're dere in the studio, you're dere in the camp. And suppose some people come in there and singing and (the producer) feel like the group need additional voice, him a just call fe me and say 'bwoy, fill in de gap dere,' and just become a part of dat, become a group. Because it might be two of them and you might feel like it need a third harmony, dem just say 'alright, just deal with it, just fill in because you is here so just fill dat.
So we deal with group but only amongst the camp, y'know. 'Ca man know you is versatile. ("None Shall Escape the Judgement") was recorded as the group, 'cause the group was on tape.
But after the producer listen it back, him figure more or less alright, him want try me alone and hear how it sound. So after him try me alone him say 'yeah mon dat is it.' Don't want to hear the group thing again, y'know.

Realizing that most Jamaicans couldn't affort to buy Bob Marley's whole Natty Dread album and seeing as Marley wasn't releasing the moving "No Woman No Cry" as a single, Lee directed Clarke to do-over the tune. Needless to say, it skyrocketed to the top of the charts.
Clarke's rendition of "No Woman No Cry" was just one of dozens of Marley-penned songs that Clarke would record, but not without some retaliation from the Marley camp. Recording versions of current tunes by The Gong took some courage and in a 1989 interview with journalist Chuck Foster (The Beat, Vol. 9, Number 5), Clarke claims he has suffered some major career setbacks, namely being boycotted from Reggae Sunsplash during the '80s.

Despite the numerous cover songs he recorded, Clarke says Striker Lee and his group of artists were always trying to create a new, original sound that would strike a chord with the record buying public. That meant keeping abreast of the social atmosphere and satisfying the wants of the people. For instance, Clarke cites his song "Joshua's Word" one of many Joshua tunes of the day (mid-1970s) inspired by the public's support of Jamaica's socialist Prime Minister Michael Manley.

Sometimes you have to scout and see. That's what we used to do. That's the reason why we did come with the flying cymbal because we're into this thing to sell record. We're not just into it to just make a record and carry it home and play it for we-self and say 'yes, it's we dat.'
We just reach a stage where we just talk about big sales. We sorry we never have millions of people in Jamaica fe sell millions but as much as we have we try and sell as much as we can. So like in "Joshua's Word" in dem times in dose days the majority of the people was like going in that form.

So like if you could do a song inna dat region, you would just have all of the people buying it and that was really what happened, y'know. The same thing with Bob Marley "No Woman No Cry," it was like the people want, need and love that song and ting but it was on an album. True, is a song I like as well and ting and I did it. And it just take off because it was cheaper because it was on a 45 single and it just took off.
That was like after I pass through a certain amount of stage of creativity and I said 'well, I don't mind doing a song that I love.' Because if you notice I do some of John Holt's songs as well. Paragons, y'know.
But then again, you haffe really state yourself as a man who is creative, then you can branch towards doing a cover song. But you come through the date originally.

That's how you come through the door. Cause in dem times if you wasn't original nobody was interested. You have to make your name originally.
Cause if you go to a producer and your singing to him or you're doing a audition and it have the slightest sound of a next song, him say 'no, no, no. I'm not into it.' When you sing dat song him want it to be like he has never heard it before. Nobody has ever heard that song, no part of the world. It's brand new.

Many of Clarke's career moves in the '70s were steered by producer Striker Lee. Although he put his heart into each piece of vinyl, it was Striker who determined what kind of material Clarke recorded be it love songs, conscious tunes or cover songs.

That's all about the producer, seen. Because the producer know what they want and they are the one who is seeking to find song dat they think will sell and will bring in some money 'cause they are the one spending to pay musicians, studio time, the engineer.
So if you're going do all of that you must want to make a profit.
So you're gonna have to seek to put out the right thing 'cause you don't want to try your best then put out nothing fe flop you or nothing fe really make you lose. 'Ca nobody no like lose.
Him might go on like him don't mind but him na go like it if there's too much of dat. It was a group at first. 'Cause like was me and Earl Zero and another guy, right. But what him do. Dem decide I should sing it, me alone. 'Cause him love my voice, him want to hear me.

So I kind of change it up and put it my slur and different thing 'cause they were just doing it like straight.
True me is a man now me have some slur and some wail and adlib additionally as far as the flavor and the melody is concerned. Like when you're a cook and you have enough seasoning, well season, y'know.
So, dem figure say I was the man fe really put the seasoning in it. So dem really make me dweet, just a trial thing and then it just took off. They figure more or less my own sound better than the group. But it's not even me. I have no control over that. 'Cause if I'm there and a man call me and say 'sing,' I don't mind just singing, y'know.

We all was doing it as a group because I was in de group too. But the producer want me alone. Him want my voice alone and eventually that's how it went and it took off. It was a hit. So maybe de producer maybe did make the right decision.

Clarke convincingly recorded straight R&B for Bunny Lee including a series of duets with Hortense Ellis (collected on Sly & Robbie Presents The Best of Lovers Rock Volume 1 - Rhino Records)and Doreen Schaffer.

That was also an experiment as far as the producer was concerned. Because there was one straight reggae vibes and a man just feel like we should try some slow ballad stuff.

Because we done reach a stage already, everybody know we could originate already and everybody know we are the originator so na wrong if we just try a ting as far as some cover is concerned and Hortense Ellis was really the perfect lady.
Because, bwoy, her voice just sound so blend, y'know. It's a sound like it could be me, like we was doing her harmony. The way she sound is the way I definitely would a want her to sound. Her voice was just wonderful to hear, man. Especially when it blend in with Johnny Clarke.
All a dem, "This Is My Story," "You're Mine," even some of the one I do it by myself "She Wears My Wring" and "Perfedia" but there was also another one with a sistren by the name of Doreen Schaffer.

Back in the day, a lot of time and effort went into recording a tune. Clarke says when you hear his classic songs from the '70s, you're hearing the collective talents of many people who strived to reach the optimal level every time the red light switched on.
He explains that unlike today, the technology in the '70s was simpler which forced singers and players to be on their toes.

In those days when you really have a song, when you're going to do some recording, you'd visit the man that play keyboards and he find the chords and the man who's playing the bass he listen.
So you get more familiar with the song so he know where to put in his little riff as he go through the verses and through the choruses and even in the solo, he knows.

But then again it was even harder because there was no half-tape. In those days it was like just four-track and we weren't advanced in technology that much that we could patch in someone, you make a mistake after one verse or two verse, you don't have to go from top again, just patch it, just take it from there on. Nowadays they're lucky cause they can do that.
But like in those days, if you go reach down to the bottom and make yourself to go all the way again. It's just the know how. You're just accurate. Like a recitation.
You study the song and you know the song so you come to record the song because you know what you're going to do and also the musicians.

So if you listen those songs in those days, if you listen to the musicians, you can hear that they're really familiar with the song they're recording because they have certain lickle phrases that they put it each time you make a slur. They go with you. Nowadays now it's all over the place.
Like a man just make the riddim and you just come and voice. But they usually track you. Play along as you sing, so they're more into it.
It's not that you're not here and they make the rhythm and tomorrow you come and put on your voice. Everybody's here together.
It was all like togetherness as you have a set of musicians on stage. Like seven musicians must back you up in that studio and it's live and original. It's like the Aggrovators, y'know. Yeah mon, Aggrovators.

Clarke was also instrumental in launching the career of one of reggae's most important singer/producers, Linval Thompson. The two boyhood friends lived in the same neighborhood but Thompson moved to Queens, New York to be with his mother when he was about 15 years old. Clarke advised Thompson to return to Jamaica and concentrate on establishing a recording career. It was Clarke who convinced Striker to record the young Thompson. When Clarke got the go-ahead, he brought Thompson to King Tubby's to record "Don't Cut Off Your Dreadlocks."

That's true still. Because Linval, he went away. We grew up together. But through his parents was like living in the states.
So he left we from young and went to the states. And every now and then him usually come to Jamaica and stay for a short time. So him always want to be a singer.
So I said to him 'if you really want to become a singer you haffe come a Jamaica and come stay fe a while and just live here.
You can't just come fe one week or two week.' So him do as I say and stay amongst me and me jus' carry him to Bunny Lee and to Tubby's and them listen to the man, through me still. But him my bredren and we grow together and him always a sing pon the corner too.

The first time I really leave Jamaica and come to America was the 11th of December, 1974. And the first show was at Columbia University (New York) and the promoter responsible for that is the man by the name of Earl Chin (now with Rockers TV). And I waan tell you something, I was one of the first Jamaican artist to go on American TV, yeah, on Channel 2.
Because when I was rehearsing, they came and was doing some filming and about 8 o'clock in the night me and Earl Chin went home and I was watching myself on television, Channel 2, singing songs like "Take My Hand," "Jah Jah In Dem" and "None Shall Escape the Judgement," and that was in 1974 and people didn't have that much access to reggae artist on television.

Clarke says the change from flying cymbal to rockers drum style was bound to happen - a natural progression in the ever evolving sound of reggae music.

After a time you're gonna need a change because that's how the country runs anyway, even with the politics. A man go on for a period of time after a period time, de people dem say 'we waan somebody else to rule we,' and the people dem a talk. And then they make the man gwan for a period and watch what him a do and if after dat time they say 'bwoy, we no like what you a do,' them a go to the next man, y'know. So sometime I think it a gwan fe a decade and then after a time you just need to just get in that slight change just to keep it interesting as far as the market and the people who is buying records are concerned.

So the rockers was really original thing. The rock drum, that was really original. But the flying cymbal was like a kind of try out and it work out. There was a guy named Santa (Davis). Him try to fly de cymbal and he tried it on a song and it sound good and him say 'bwoy, dat what we want.' Dat's what the people dem did want too. So the move was right. So it's just a ting, y'know.
True, the business was kind of stagnant too, 'cause after a while everything was just kind of watered down so you just need to come with something, invent something fresh.

Even certain other people who wasn't along with we start use flying cymbal as well, other promoters. 'Cause them see what was happening as far as our success is concerned. Them haffe come in our direction. So then everybody start play flying cymbal from dem time to now, 'cause if him not playing dat, the people dem don't want his song fe buy.

Much of Clarke's best work has been issued on the late Brad Osborne's New York-based Clocktower label (Originally Mr. Clarke, Sings In Fine Style, etc.,). Clarke says Osborne did good work.

Him died now, y'know, Brad Osborne.
Him is the one who is doing some harmony, 'cause him used to sing too. So it's him that put on the back up voices. Him and this guy named K.C. White and some of the sistren. So him do the back up voice and ting.

Some of them song come from Bunny Lee still, beca' them song they would do them in Jamaica and they would just tidy it up up here. 'Cause we usually make the riddim and voice in Jamaica and mix in New York 'cause him have him studio in New York where him go and usually go a night time and him overdub like put on harmony and just mix it down and release it and sometime him experiment great 'ca when him finished complete, bwoy me a tell you man, nice, really, y'know. So Clocktower album de, nice.

Brad Osborne do him work, y'know. That album (Originally Mr. Clarke) was well done. Album for the younger generation, y'know. 'Ca we no really make tune fe we, we make tune fe the younger one them.

Another highlight of Clarke's massive discography is the album Barry Brown and Johnny Clarke Sings Roots & Culture (Fatman). The two legends of '70s reality reggae share six heavyweight tracks a piece produced by Striker and mixed at King Tubby's Waterhouse studio by Tubby himself as well as Prince Jammy and Scientist. Fatman's only involvement was in compiling the songs. Clarke says the album, like some of his recordings, was released unbeknownst to him.

It not coming originally from Fatman. But it just reach Fatman hand because the person who control it decide to make Fatman have a piece of it. So that's how it really reach Fatman still. Who control have the privalege and the authority fe decide who can really handle it. They (Striker and Fatman) are good friends. It's all about bredernship, y'know.

But then again, me kinda on de outside, 'ca sometime dem tend fe do it behind my back. Me not even knowing. Sometime people just carry it to you and show it to you and you're surprised. Not even knowing that was happening or was going on.
We have this great man by the name of King Tubby's. So me just link with them people. Him have the greatest sound. Even right now none of them sound can't go like that. 'Ca him have the heaviest sound. In them days they a talk about Hi Fi, y'know, King Tubby's Hi Fi, heavy sound, y'know.

By the early '80s Clarke left Jamaica for England like many other major stars. He says the derth in talent on the island led to a new breed of artists that ushered in the digital era.

What really happen is that, through the politics again, there was a lot of people going east, west, north and south through politics. They run away from Jamaica. War, y'know.
A lot of entertainers they haffe leave. Some come to America, some go to England. Because the entertainers don't want to get involved inna the war. Because like, you're going into some area where it's pure gunmen and all that, so man kind of get fearful beca' we deal with music, a we no deal with gun business.

So if me see de youth doing too much of dem thing then me try to stay far from you.
So me find myself in England where we cool out for a while. After dat, when I came back to Jamaica, the dancehall scene now came prominent whereas you find man start sing on sound system. A man coulda really get the chance to see a entertainer by just going to a dance. That was like inna de '80s.
The business was kind of stagnant as I said through the politics. And through the politics and people was all over the place running up and down. Even dance was being shot up and people was afraid to go to dance. Was like the music was just going just dead. The dancehall ting now is a ting that come out now out of, they just couldn't do better.

It just would have to happen because the people did just want to hear music so them take it anyhow, whether it be singjay or deejay, because the people who usually make the good music, dem kind of scatter. So we have some youth that was there still and them figure more or less them coulda still carry the banner.
And them carry the banner in such a way them carry it now in a sound system way, performing around the sound. And them call it singjay.
If you want to make a hit record you have to sing like how the deejay dem deejay. That means certain type of pretty singing, dem wasn't going for dat. 'Ca dem say too much of them pretty ting na really no gwan again, y'know. You haffe sing it like how the deejay dem a do it.

If you notice in the early '80s there was lot of the singjay kind of ting. Well after a while you find artist start come back in and man start get involved sound wise and get involved in doing a lot of special for sound system. Like you have a sound name Masterpiece, me just call out a sound name Masterpiece and him just cut it on a dub plate and have it ready fe a next sound.

So we come to a sound clash, so you find it create a whole heap of sound clash vibes. In our time now we never really have dat. Dancehall style in dem days was a selection of Johnny Clarke. King Tubby's now who was the champion sound and U Roy who was the champion deejay, when U Roy a play selection him play like 20 piece of Johnny Clarke, him play 20 piece of Delroy Wilson, him play 20 piece of Dennis Brown. So dem days it was days of dancehall style.

So a man a play a whole heap of original singing. But the deejay them never really get no play 'ca you never really have a lot of deejay because the deejay never have much fe deejay still because all that would happen, him would a just play the singer and then after him play the singer you hear the version and the version is short because him know him have got a set of Johnny Clarke fe play.

But you find now what really happen with the dancehall thing get prominent now inna the '80s you find the deejay dem start change the vibes and them start play less of the selection ting and start feature themself. So instead of them play out the singing, them cut the singing short and play the riddim and play the riddim all five time and each of the five time it's five different deejay go on it.
So it's like dem start quietly eliminate the singer and promote themself and the selector him was with them.
Him was them dear friend because he was the one who used to haul and pull it up and make a next man jump pon it. So, dat now called dancehall style. But there was always dancehall.

Me start dancehall style, yes. But after a while inna the '80s dem change it.
Nuff people don't understand what is really dancehall style. 'Cause some of the people dem possibly get confused when dem say dancehall style because man know dancehall style was from our time.
Yeah, because dancehall style was from U Roy time, Lizzy time, Count Machuki time, Big Youth time, whole I and I time.

But the name is more popular and is more outspoken now because dem want to tell to feel like it's a different part of the music. That's something different from reggae music.
Which it a be same reggae music but when them realize that now them want to take them time and try and make it in our way like dancehall is a different music. But them start called dancehall music from when dem a make over all a dem old time Studio One riddim.

So if you make over a Studio One riddim and sing a different lyrics pon it, a no really dancehall, it's reggae. So dancehall style is really through the deejay, them more involved as far as performance is concerned and dem get more longer period of time pon a riddim because years gone by a deejay used to just introduce a singer and just keep quiet and the singer gwan sing and introduce him again, him was like a MC.

But after a while now, deejay start play him part. After a while dem just feel like is him alone. He shouldn't have no singer, should be just him. But now him pay the price fe dat because you haffe please the people you can't please yourself. And the people you have to respect.
Because music is not just fe you. Music is to share amongst other people, seen. All about sales, seen.

Clarke's most recent release, Rock With Me Baby (JA/Peter Pan), was produced by Niney The Observer Holness who back in the '70s produced one of the singer's most militant songs, "Warrior."

The sound of Rock With Me Baby is contemporary dancehall with digital rhythms bolstered up by Clarke's voice which is as sweet and hearty as ever.
Making the album was a joy for Clarke because he says the process of recording is much easier now thanks to modern technology. Clarke says modern recording techniques also help showcase his skills.

That album show my versatility, show the talent fully. Because when you listen to that album you can hear like a choir, like a group.
But the way it work out it's just one person. Because we're so advanced now that we have different tracks.
I can just fill one track which is maybe the lead and then I listen to it and I feel like it can get some sweetness and maybe just put on one more track and then after I feel like it can take a next level. And then eventually it's all three different track added to the one which is the lead. So it's like four voices put together combined.

Is one man who did that still. Years ago you couldn't do that. Like most of my songs that have harmony inna the early '70s, songs like "Get Up And Fight For Your Rights." I was like singing the lead and the harmony was being done by Jackie Edwards and Barry Biggs.
So, I couldn't show my versatility because there was only four track. So you have one track you do the voice and all them three voices they have to be on one track. But nowadays you can experiment. But that album shows the versatility inna me.
Man can sing lead and him can do harmony and everything blend together and it sound beautiful. Sound nice.
So really, I would a consider it as one of the best. Also, I have a CD that RAS Records have out there (Reggae Archive). I did some song produced by Mad Professor back in England. Those are a beautiful set of selections.

Renewed interest in his '70s recordings, Clarke says, is a sign that people are searching for something more substantial than the records coming out today

. People of Jamaica call me the Hit Machine. Anytime mi do a show the people jus' want hear the old song them. Mi do love them still, 'cause them tune was like medicine.
It's just like a revival vibes.
Because through the people dem, dem really need some gap to be filled. Because music is not just one sided thing. And music is not just deejay music alone.

So if you're gonna just focus Jamaican music as just deejay music, the people dem going to atomatically draw back for the vintage type of song because dem love deejay music but dem don't really want pure deejay music because dem know there is varieties to reggae and a variety of deejay is just a one type of thing. So man want some spice.
And you see people will try and not forget roots and culture reggae. Because what happen now is the dancehall music are some of the dancehall fans or artists will tend to feel like it should be just pure dancehall and we shoulda just forget about some of them long time songs that was well down already and just wrap it up and throw it away. But the people dem decide say dat's not the way.

So them decide it must live again. It's like them take it up and make it live once more. That's why even this CD thing is very important to the music right now, because the records will never die but just kind of get back pon top, y'know.
And them going to feel good to know that, bwoy, these songs has been out for so long and still sound so crisp, as if it was done yesterday! When you tink about how long ago it was done and when you listen back you maybe might feel like it's even better than what is happening here now.

So it's very important really this CD. The dancehall ting is just a different ting. But me no have to follow dem. Me no really a do the next man ting, and the next man ting, and the next man, y'know. Me just do it the way me know it - my way